Happy Easter 4/20/14

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Cool Idea 4/20/14 – 9:48am

From:  Admin

I thought you would be interested in the following story from The Wall Street Journal.

Big-Hole Golf: Clown Round? No, Cool Idea


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Zero Base 4/19/14 – 5:18pm

Author : The Reynolds Curmudgeon

One final comment…for the day, that is….lol

Is there any taxing authority or governmental entity who uses “zero based” budgeting?   My, what a novel idea!   Having to PROVE you need every cent one intends to spend. …and not just adding to last year’s budget or final expenses paid.

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Nothing Will Change 4/19/14 – 5:13pm

Author : The Reynolds Curmudgeon

You all realize, of course, NOTHING will change if you keep saying it’s OK to tax…whatever the tax is based on….be it ESPLOST or property or ad valorem.

To the BoE and the BoC….when is enough more than enough????   What PROOF is there that MORE money is any answer?   Great high school football arena….how did that improve the graduation rates?

Do we need two separate school systems IF the loa gets all they’d like?   Can little old Greene County support such an endeavor?   Is it even warranted give the population? When is enough enough???

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Will Tax To Meet Budget 4/19/14 – 3:09pm

From: Withheled


Great post!  Your numbers are accurate as they are public record and available to anyone who wishes to do a little research.  I took the insanity quote as a quick indicator that voting down ESPLOST for a third time and expecting the BOE to not raise taxes to make–up for that lost revenue stream is INSANITY.

Perhaps many fail to understand that the ESPLOST election is in May.  Budget for BOE is set in June/July.  There are only 2 out of 5 members of the BOE up for election this cycle.  Even the two up for election will decide upon the next budget and millage rate as they will be in office through the end of the calendar year even if defeated.  To make this simple, vote down ESPLOST and the current members of the BOE will be forced to obtain the revenue they say they need from property tax.

Regarding the funding included in the proposed ESPLOST to make the LOA bond payments, that has been included so that there can be a direct offset to the property tax in the amount of those annual payments.  So vote against ESPLOST, property taxes go up, vote for ESPLOST, property taxes go down.

As far as voting them out, yes several need to go including the current District One representative.  But guess what, most of us in the lake area paying the taxes will not get to vote in her election bid.  Let’s hope the people in that district will support her opposition, as we can also do.

Not to say I agree with the spending of the BOE, but if they have it in their minds that they need a certain amount of funding, and they can get that funding from sources like propert tax AND ESPLOST, I would rather give them the option of using ESPLOST over raising my property taxes any day.  Those elected to make those decisions can be changed from time to time during election cycles, but a one-cent sales tax funding stream is far more favorable and beneficial to us as property owners than having the entire burden placed on our property tax millage rate!!

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ESplost & Einstein 4/19/14 – 2:41pm

From:  Marvin Watson

Dear Dash

Thanks for the help understanding this ESPLOST thing, but I still have some problems with some of the proposed spending.

I do have a couple of questions for you.  I know there is $7 million in the proposal for current LOA bond payments over the next five years.  I support LOA, but I think thatLOA bonds have already been funded by the last property tax increase.   Are you proposing that we pay that more than once?  I don’t think we need to “double dip”. 

That leaves $16.4 million to fund the things you call “Career Academy, Learning Cottages, Tech Equipment, ect.  Those have not been funded at present and seem to be on the “wish list” for the BOE.  This is where I have my problem with this proposal.  I have heard about similar programs (with GREAT names) for the last 25 years that have been funded with local property taxes or ESPLOST, yet we still have 40% of the high school freshmen drop out before graduating.  Do you think this is something that will help improve the grad rate?  If so, how?

Maybe this fellow ”Don” that posted early today has it right about Einstein and the Insanity thing.    Are we insane if we keep throwing money at the graduation rate problem here in Greene County? 
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No Funds, No Spend 4/19/14 – 11:11am

From: yogia7

dash, all
according to your logic if they don’t have funds then they shouldn’t spend or raise taxes.
vote no on esplost and vote them out if they raise taxes


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Saying No To Spending 4/19/14 – 8:03am

Author : Voters Past 

Hey Dash,

Why do you suppose the voters have voted ESPLOST down for the last two times it came up for the public vote? You state some impressive numbers but really are any of them fact or are they just truly estimations? A good pollester can make the numbers say just about anything. If the voters vote against the ESPLOST, isn’t that them saying to our County Government that we shouldn’t be spending all that money on specific unfair educational expansions that we have been saying NO to for years?

Thanks for not telling me how I should vote……

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Insanity 4/18/14 – 9:46pm

Author : Don

Dash, great post!
Albert Einstein said Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!

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Photo Exhibit 4/18/14 – 5:42 pm


Saturday April 19th is the last day of the photography exhibition and contest at the Plaza Arts Center. There are some amazing images displayed this year and worth a look if you have time. The exhibit is open tomorrow from 10-4 and admission is free.


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Let History Be Your Teacher 4/18/14 – 5:34pm

Dash Riprock’ here.

Not surprisingly, there is a lot of information being tossed around concerning the upcoming ESPLOST vote.  Seems like Deja vu all over again…a reference to Yogi Berra (a well known New York Yankee baseball player if you didn’t get it).

If we didn’t learn through the previous 2 ESPLOST defeats, let us let history provide some answers.  What happens if ESPLOST is defeated?  Residents of Greene County will see a significant property tax increase.  Why?  Because if the BOE doesn’t have the funds in the General Fund (provided by current Greene County property taxes), they must raise the millage rate accordingly to collect the funds needed to provide Greene County Schools with what is needed to educate them…(i.e. Career Academy, Learning Cottages for expansion, Technology Equipment, Pay Down Outstanding Bonds, etc…)  Based on what ESPLOST is projected to generate over a 5 year period ($23.4 million) the BOE would have to raise the millage rate approximately 3 mil’s to cover that projection.  For you homeowners, let me give you an example of what that means for your property taxes.  For a home with a fair market value of $1,000,000 (40% assessed value is what you pay taxes on) so $400,000, each mil increase would
cost you $400.  So 1 mil increase=$400, 2 mil increase costs you $800 and a 3 mil increase would cost you $1,200.  That’s annually by the way.  So a 3 mil increase over 5 years would cost a homeowner an additional $6,000 in property taxes.  Not so good huh?

Now, what happens if ESPLOST is passed?  Well, we know that the amount of projected funds is in the $23.4 million ballpark over 5 years.  That gives the BOE that amount of money to use on those same projects, only they are not coming out of the General Fund to pay for it.  And by the way, 60% of those ESPLOST funds are generated by non residents of Greene County who come here to vacation,or recreate.  Which ultimately means that we are only paying for .40 cents out of each dollar for funding our Greene County Schools.  Who wouldn’t pay .40 cents to get a dollar in return?  When you go across the Putnam County bridge and buy anything over there, guess what, you’re paying an ESPLOST tax.  When you make a run over to Madision to do some shopping over there, guess what, you’re paying an ESPLOST tax.  Seems like everyone around us knows something we don’t?

I’m not trying to tell you how you should vote in the upcoming ESPLOST election.  I’ve just lived here long enough and have seen the result of 2 consecutive ESPLOST defeats.  I’m not your accountant either, although if you ask me it wouldn’t take one to figure out what the right way to go is.

Hopefully I’ve provided some information which you can use in making an educated decision in the upcoming ESPLOST election.  Thanks.  Have a great day!

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Greene County Schools 4/16/14 – 8:11pm

From:  Marvin Watson
BTW, I did not mean to infer with the last post that the problem with graduation rate in this county is due to the BOE, administrators, faculty, or facilities  of the system.

There may be some problem there now, but in the early 1990′s, data did not indicate that to be the problem, at least to me.   I was shown that any motivated student could get a good high school education in the system and 60% did.

Motivation to achieve by the individual student seemed to be the major problem at that time. 
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ESplost 4/16/14 – 4:56pm

From:  Marvin Watson
to Withheld

SAY WHAT???  “LOA is trying to improve the school system as a whole.  Funds generated by ESPLOST will do just that”

I am sorry but I’m still lost.  Maybe you could explain the above statement a little better for me.  I have heard about spending money to improve the education system here in Greene County for the last 25 years. 


Do you see why I need help understanding?
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Vote No 4/16/14 – 9:20am

From: yogia7


vote no on esplost. then if they raise taxes vote them out. I will work to do just that.!!!!!!!!

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Pls Explain 4/16/14 – 9:17am

Author : The Reynolds Curmudgeon

To Withheld….please explain your comment about how by building an entire “new” school entity the loa will improve the WHOLE school system in GREENE County…..

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Helping System 4/15/14 – 10:35pm

From: Withheld

Despite the picture some have chosen to paint, LOA is trying to improve the school system as a whole.  Funds generated by ESPLOST will do just that.  a vote against ESPLOST WILL result in higher property taxes…that is an inarguable fact.  LOA is simply trying to do the right thing…simple as that.

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Signs 4/15/14 – 5:37pm

From:  Marvin Watson

I’m lost.  Why would LOA be pushing the ESPLOST?  There is $7 million in it for LOA bonds but that is going to be paid with or without ESPLOST. 

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Need Three Things 4/15/14 – 5:35pm

From: Just Wondering

Re:  Not enough eat out.
No, plenty of our members eat out all the time.  It just happens to be at Cuscowillow, Silver Moon, da corroda etc…  Could be the same at the Club restaurants, but it requires three things all together:  Good food, good service, and actually being open for business.

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Not Enough Eat Out 4/15/14 – 2:40pm

From:  Sender Sender

Club Closings

To “What The?” and “What’s Going On?”

  These club schedules have been in place for years, with certain clubs closed on certain days of the week. Not enough of our members eat out enough to keep the mall open every day of the week.
If you have questions, why not go to people who know, e.g. the Food and Beverage Committee. You can go to the reynolds.net website and go tot the Board of Advisors link to ask you questions.
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Confusing Everyone 4/15/14 – 7:34am

From: WhatThe?

It seems that every time I try to eat at a clubhouse it is closed and/or they have changed the scheduled day they are open. They are honestly just confusing everyone. Then they wonder why more people arent eating at there. Duh!

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Signs 4/15/14 – 7:32am

From: WhatThe?

@ Marvin,
I know LOA has been handing out trunk full of Esplost signs to there parents to distribute throughout the community….not sure who paid for them.

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Cut Cut 4/14/14 – 7:59pm

From: yogia7

to all

come on lets vote no on esplost.
cut spending cut taxes.

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Club Closings 4/14/14 – 1:27pm

From:  What’s Going On

Don’t understand all these club closings. Heard Creek Club will now be closed some days every week. Is that true?  Are they not being frequented enough or is this just a money saving move?  Dues go up as hours and days of availability go down. Something’s really wrong with that picture.

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No Lunch Ever 4/14/14 – 12:29pn

Author : Just Wondering

On the subject of the Overlook hours, why is it not open for dinner on Saturday nights when the most members are here, permanent residents and weekenders?  Also, regarding club restaurant hours generally, why in the world is lunch not ever served at the core restaurant, the Plantation Grille, which is available to all members and is inside the Plantation gates where the largest concentration of members are located?

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Cost Of Appeal 4/11/14 – 12:46pm


TO: The Reynolds Curmudgeon

Another relevant posting. As to the issue of “[h]ow much the BoC has spent…. on attorneys fees on the appeal of the recent loss in court?”, you may wish to consider filing a request with the BOC under the Georgia Open Records Act (O.C.G.A.
§ 50-18-70 et seq.) for this information.

~ Please note that this posting is informational only and does not constitute legal advice.~

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Dollars For Appeal 4/11/14 – 11:52am

Author : The Reynolds Curmudgeon

“Good taxpayer dollars after earlier taxpayer dollars”

Am I the only one who’d like to know how much the BoC has spent and will spend on attorneys fees on the appeal of the recent loss in court?    Aren’t taxpayers entitled to know?   How does one find out?

I guess the next question is WHY?   When will it end????

Put it to a vote for the TAXPAYERS to decide what THEY want……my…what a rather novel idea.

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GW Clubhouse 4/10/14 – 10:30pm

From: Stevadore

Can someone explain why the Great Waters Clubhouse has been closed for dinner this week (Masters Week), and Cuscowilla has a waiting list?  Are there simply not enough staff to enable GW Overlook Room to open?  Sure, there was the usual Piano Bar and Friday night . . . but closed the rest of Masters Week?  Makes no sense.

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Improve Greene Co Quality Of Life 4/9/14 – 7:40pm

Author : Dee Lindsey 

I see another shameless diversion from the facts posted on here.  This time another  pseudonym is trying to drag NGA into it although they have had absolutely no involvement in this case whatsoever.   As for my motives, you obviously don’t know me very well.  I’ve had hundreds of conversations with citizens from all over the county — including, all members of the BOC, the BOE, the GCDA, and of course the former GCEDC.  My message to each of them was always the same.  Ask some of them.

Plain and simple, I am primarily interested in revitalizing the economically depressed areas of our county so our children and grandchildren might view their hometowns as good places to raise their families.  I’m also interested in diversifying our tax base, avoiding total economic dependence on the lake economy and it’s retired residents, and most importantly, improving the quality of life for our existing citizens.

Of course, a quality public school system plays an important role in recruiting beneficial employers and industries.  Because of that, I have met with the heads of several of our schools — public, private, and public charter.  My questions and concerns have always centered around how we can all come together and cooperate to improve educational opportunities throughout the county.  I believe each local school plays an important role in our county’s future.  Privately managed schools have a place and are a great alternative for some.  However, I say again, we are spinning our wheels if we do not have a quality core public system — which is going to be the number one criteria of any significant employer.

This is where I disagree with several of our elected servants.  I won’t go into all the statistical details but suffice it to say, growth for the sake of growth is not necessisarily positive or desirable economic development.  Unlike a gated retirement resort development, a family residential growth campaign significantly increases the demands and expenses for schools and other public services will greatly burden the local taxpayers unless the costs of those public services are equally offset by other revenue sources.  Per student education costs in any of our local schools is very expensive by all measures.  This is why residential growth and school expansions normally follow industrial growth as demand for employees exceeds the available local workforce — not the reverse.

So…now that everyone knows exactly where I stand on that, it’s fine to agree or disagree with me.  It’s your prerogative.  Just don’t expect me to get into an endless economics debate on this blog.

Back to the original accusation disparaging my motives.  Although I disagree with the BOC chairman’s plan to expand one school in a so-called effort to attract more jobless families, I have no problem with them pursuing it legally by simply following the existing law and the constitution.  The law is clear — school matters belong to the BOE, and even the BOE must allow the citizens to vote on this issue.   We aren’t allowed to bypass the people just because we think we know better than they.

It’s not my motives one should be questioning.

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Taxes And Spending 4/9/14 – 10:35am

From: yogia7

P.S. anyone with a brain wave would  understand that cutting taxes and spending is better than increasing them!!!!!!!!

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No On ESplost 4/9/14 – 10:31am

From: yogia

you miss the point. you vote no on esplost. then if they increase prop taxes you vote them out. this isn’t D.C.  where they tax and spend {fix in nov}. local folks need to cut spending and taxes.

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